Since no one has posted up any other ideas for a season 3 BB it appears we are going forward with the GBF's as the main threat in season 3...
If this is the case we need to make some decisions as a community on the future direction of the LABN world after the invasion.
Considering the sheer scale of the GBF threat is unlikely that the world can continue to blithely ignore the presence of the supernatural. And since the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction by the human military is a distinct possibility coupled with the destructive potential of the GBF's themselves unless the invasion is stopped very early we are looking at a potential shift to a post apocalyptic world
Are we prepared for that and if not how do we make sure that it doesn't happen?
Any ideas folks?
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not yet robin. but since you actually started a thread (ROBIN STARTED A THREAD! ROBIN STARTED A THREAD!) to discuss it, i promise to think about it and get back to you. hehehe... :P
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I've already come up with a possible way for the world to blithly ignore the supernatural - the GBFs rely more on technology than magic. 'Project Majestic 12' and some information about things like Roswell conveniently become public. As far as the world in concerned, we've just survived an alien invasion.
WMD use is, IMO, a question of time. Conventional weapons would be effective at first, but sheer numbers would force reliance on chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons. By my estimates, we're looking at the decimation (most likely) of:
South America
Africa
Large portions of Asia, Europe, North America.
There's also the question of what exactly the world would look like with the supernatural fully revealed - though I think it more likely that passing it off as aliens is likely. Magic is 'unscientific' which would make, IMO, most people more comfortable believing in aliens than magic.
Personally, I will admit to having a bias towards actually seeing the apocolypse come. Part of the reason I love Lucifer's Hammer and is because the planet-killing comet actually hits the Earth. Would think that we'd see a large number of people try to deny most of the supernatural still - though they might be more willing to accept other elements.
I also stand by my belief of the fanatics trying to use it to support their beliefs. Can anyone imagine what Jerry Falwell would be like? :roll:
More later. Can't talk and think....
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Ok, back, sitting down, and able to think some more... between bouts of getting caught up in Le Nozze di Figaro - an opera I'm going to recomend you all listen to at least once. But I digress. :)
How we make sure something quasi-apocolyptic doesn't happen is, erm, rather difficult. About the only thing I can think of is we burn Victor and destroy the portals, but don't think Dave wants to be torched. ;) So, that leaves us with an invasion.
I already have some thoughts on WMD use brewing - it probably won't happen until after the first Gr'Nathan reinforcements start to arrive. After speaking with Dave, I expect tactical nukes to be the first option. Then quickly abandoned in favour of nerve gas and biological agents (I already have a thought for one biological agent - "the virus" hinted at in a conspiracy post during season 2).
In other words, while thinking about this, suspect we'll end up at the very least in a quasi-apocolyptic world, and have to deal with the clean-up and fallout of the Gr'Nathan War. Cleanup of any WMDs put to use, and also depending on how much of the supernatural becomes 'public'.
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Of course a different way of controlling things instead of Nukeing the entire planet is a more magikal solution - considering our wiccan contingent have many diverse contacts plus the mages that MJ12 are privy to - that would equal to some pretty spectacular power! (think hands across America! :D hehe)
And then... maybe worldwide amnesia?
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I, like Lou, would hope for less WMD and more magic, but of course, the problem is that the rest of the world is involved and not just our sorry little crew. Damn, post apocalyptic world is not my cup of tea, but I guess I can make do. Also, for those of us who are thinking of going along with Victor on his dimension hopping quest, what are we going to do with the more normal, less protected people we are leaving behind? I don't want Drew and the baby to die while Daye is gone. Anyone else worried about these things?
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Certainly, personally I could dig the whole thing if it was done in a Pylea sort of manner - obviously not copying the whole thing straight off... But instead of making this a world wide invasion, how about we resolve this in Grrr... urm Victor's home dimension. Then we don't have to worry about destroying the entire planet or opening up this whole weird can of worms (I mean after you plunge the planet into a nuclear winter there isn't much further you can take things...)
Of course not everyone will go to Victor's Pylea so we'd have to split the action, one side for the home team and one for Grrrr Dimension.
Actually, I like that, we could have a Home Team and an Away Team. White hats protecting planet Earth from (tempted to say the Scum of the Universe) any SMALL amount of GRR Demons that escape the net, while the Away Team works to make sure the invasion doesn't occur.
How does that work? Or am I being completely redundant?
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I know im still pretty new, but I figured id give my opinion.
The idea of some going to the other dimension and some staying would probably be alot easier to do that a massive worldwide invasion. Like people have already stated, once you go World Apocolyptic, its very complicated to go back to normal.
......just my 2 cents :)
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Sure, that's what Dave has in mind, I think. But, like I just told Adam, there's supposed to be a full scale invasion, and then WMD use. That's going to seriously scar good old Mama Earth. You and I especially would be well and truly screwed. (I am right in assuming that Kate's magic taps into the planet's energy, cause that is how I think Daye's works.) What is the aftermath going to be, do you think?
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Lets face it, ALL life comes from Mother Earth not just the magikal energy forces. Personally I don't really see WHY there SHOULD be a full scale invasion if the Away Team are doing their job correctly - sure, a few may slip the net and that would be enough to disrupt our harmony. I just don't see why we should even WANT to get on to the topic of WMD!
Sometime's it isn't the scale of the event that is impressive - it's how it is written. I'd prefer something a little more low key, less "We're all going to die in a horrid nuclear explosion" and write something that at least makes sense. From what I'm hearing this whole thing is getting kind of excessive. And why bother having sub plots that aren't resolved before this event - I doubt even Valerian would give a damn who his daughter was and if she was evil if the entire planet was about to go to war.
However this is just my knee-jerk reaction, personally I don't like the idea of using WMD of any kind, and it isn't the kind of thing that Majestic would be able to control in any way concieveable, at least, not in my opinion. It's just too much.
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I wasn't thinking of taking that many people along. One becasue I have pretty much plotted out what I need to do, and the few people who go with me as well..its going to be a more-or-less isolated bit of storytelling (Sorry! I wish you could all come along, but this is Victor's Swansong)
The second reason is that someone who knows G'rnathans and their weaknesses and strengths has to stay behind and spread the word. They are tough, but they aren't invincible. I see them as pretty evenly matched with Humanity IF humanity really fights in unity.
As for the apocolypse, it should not be that bad. In 20 days (the second wave of reinforcements) only about half of the civilized infrastructure would have been devestates. The GBF menace does not want to destroy life...they want that life to feed on so the killing will be largely restricted to those that are defending cities and things.
So even if they destroy half the world it will be mostly powerplants, radio stations, airports, manufacturing plants and such. Barely 1% of the population will be killed. That is UNLESS the world defense forces emply WMDs.
That is what makes this such an interesting experiment in terror. The GBFs want to eat us--sure. But its OUR OWN FORCES that are killing us in the name of defense. You are fighting the war of compromise...stop the GBFs and speak reason to the Government agencies with their fingers on the button.
All of the portals will be located reasonably near large centers of population. Wilderness has little or no appeal for the GBFs early in the invasion. In fact those living in Rainforests, Deserts, Midwest farmland, and remote research stations will be mostly safe until the second or theird wave.
I don't see the invasion going past the third wave (okay maybe the fourth, a lot depends on how the season is running). Since stopping the invasion is all on you guys, I have a few non WMD alternatives you might employ:
-- A mystical super-weapon that erases the GBFs from existence.
-- A wishing stone to close a portal
-- A demonic counterforce assembled from evil demons who are also defending their lives.
-- A secret army of Adam-Like constructs that just "happened" to not be previously detected.
-- An alternate reality that has been under seige by the GBFs and won (but at what terrible cost?)
-- The Gray's (yes the aliens) might have managed to develop some sort of counterweapon that they were unable to deploy in large enough quantities before being forced to flee.
-- A powerful telpath who can override the Overseer signal and take control of a squadron
-- A slayer would be most useful
-- I like Louisa's idea of a super combo wicca force that combine powers in a DOKKEN-like blast that devestates the GBF armies.
and thats just the beginning. I see maybe one Nuke being detonated. Just for the drama.
Afterwards? Adam is right that is is written off as an "Alien" invasion. Within a few years most people will begin saying it was a hoax, and within 10 they will have manufactured enough proof to support that allegation.
Becasue the GBFs aren't attacking civilians, and aren't targeting population centers per se, but the infrastructure that operates them...they won't be in contact with many "regular" folk.
It wont be until the began herdin humans nto huge corrals and martching them back into G'rnatha that most citizens will really beleive what they are seeing.
If you stop it fast enough, I guarantee that most people write it off as a re-run of the telivsion series 'V' before they'd beleive it was true.
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I just had a really awful idea...evil some might say ;)
All this devestation and all this pain and horror and loss...is Sam's fault.
This circle of double doo-doo demon trouble winds up with the end of everything and when Sam and Hesch's wishes finally work themselves out. Killroy takes it all back. Why? Becasue frankly everyone suffered more than them. And it just wasn't satisfying enough.
Or Brinkly and Ra see the end of the world and appeal to the Idea to take it all back becasue humans are so much damn fun.
Or it ends with Sam on a park bench closing the book "Die Angst Idee" and shaking his head over the strange story with demons and witches and werewolves and the end of the world. Silly book.
Sort of a tip of the hat to a fallen comrade.
Okay weird Twilight Zone idea over
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I think you deserve a slap for even THINKING of that idea Dave! Nevermind sharing it with the rest of us! ;)
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Ok...
Dave said...
This is just an idea, but I already have just such a secret army in the works. This is the army that Ryan/The Night Walker is the advance test scout of. My BB (who I hope to introduce as a major menace in S4) is in charge of a large army of demons that have been magically and genetically altered to be perfect "supersoldiers" in DeLancre's war on the world. What if he unleashes them to stop the Battle Demons? He could offer his hand of friendship and assistance in S3 and then come back to betray us all in S4 when he kidnaps the child and begins his full scale attempt to take over the whole f'in planet. What do you guys think?
Just an idea.
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Ok so I know that up to now the main idea is the Battlefiends, but today (while daydreaming in french class, I thought of an idea. Good...bad....its up to you... (I like the battlefiend idea, this is just something different)
What if all the Evil NPCs gathered together to rid themselves of their respective enemies. Like Valarian, Black Jem, and all the rest of the baddies form some sort of evil alliance. I thought it would be cool for 2 reasons: 1-an enemy like Valarian who would usually only be against Sorrow and Jade can now wreak havoc on other people, and the same goes for the other baddies. (Ive created and evil-doer who will soon make an appearance so stay tuned)
and secondly, it forces more colabs. Being new, i read abit of season 1 and season 2. From my point of view, season 1 was more interesting, since the characters interacting more. (just my opinion)
Well like I said, just an idea :lol:
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Possibly, but it occurs to me that Valerian is noting if not pragmatic. Who besides me sees him giving an empassioned speech to his daughter asking her to "fight by his side" to defend an Earth he is not ready to vacate.
As for the scale this idea came from the idea that we have an unlimited special effects budget. Why not think big? Yes, it is getting excessive to a certain extent. We are talking full mobilization of armies to combat these things. But truthfully it will be days before anyone really knows that something is happening. Even the folks at the top of the all seeing pyramid will be reluctant to beleive the scale of this invasion. A week after the word starts to get out it really hits the fan.
And each time a new wave arrives it escalates. Even the most powermad triggerhappy defeatist won't even think about using WMDs until at least the third wave...becasue things will be looking kinda bleak by then.
but before that happens...
This could happen. They might even think of stopping or allying with the GBF's hard to say.
Of course my idea need not be the only idea. And I've said it before...if the tide turns against me I'll drop it since my story takes me off-world for most of season 3, it doesn't affect Victor (or those that go with me). The Invasion just ties you all to my storyline (presumptuous ain't I?)
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I found this too when reading S1, but the time zone BB i believes always makes this difficult - that and finding times that work for everyone.
But i do like the idea of the invasion. I hardly think that nuclear weapons will be dropped throughout the entire world to get rid of them - if the Grrrs did happen to have that much of a wide spread appearence - cos lets face it, should that happen, we can say goodbye to the human race as well as every other living organism on this earth...except for maybe cockroachs.
Roachy the Vamproach slayer just doesn't seem to have the same appeal :D cute as it sounds.
Instead of relaying the entirety of things that have been discussed, i'll say that in short from what i've heard of dave's ideas and others that have been put in...i like what its shaping up to be! plus it would probably help with my bringing Reah out into the world again if it suddenly got alot more similar to what she got used to...attention would be drawn away from her, and instead of trolls, amoungst other things, wondering openly through the streets, you'll have Grrrs.
More collabs is what i'd also be looking forward to, interacting with more of the other players in game. Reah's ver' self reserved at the moment and needs other people to band up with, as well as something to use herself against.
erk...sorry about any uncomprehesable talk in there...which i'm sure is most of it! but i do have a point, and its clear to me :oops: sorry
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To say something myself, but not adding anything new, i'd say i like the idea of the Invasion, but i was still troubled over the idea of how the rest of the world is then going to lose their memories of all the demons they encounter?
other then that i am idealess for now....sorry......
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Okay, I guess we're kinda going with the Brotherhood as the BB now, but I've got some ideas incase we want to use the Invasion (I am not going to even try to write Grr-whatever so I'll just call it the Invasion) at a later date.
Right, most of this comes from a computer game known as Spellcross. (which you can find more information on here: http://www.sci.co.uk/games/basic.asp?version_id=11) In fact, the game and the Invasion share the same basic idea; the invasion of Earth from creatures from another dimension using portals to get from one to the other. So admittedly Spellcross is to do with Orcs and Harpies 'n stuff, the basic principles are the same; magic, portals, etc.
Basically, at the start of the invasion, humanity reels and is on the run; they can't develop enough effective countermeasures to combat the Forces of Darkness (the name of the invaders) quick enough to get into the feild quick enough. Evantually, governments collapse overnight and a new World Alliance is formed. The WA co-ordinates a global campaign to fight back. Evantually, the WA begins to form squads of magically and psychically adept units (dammit! can't remeber what they're called) and fights back, closing all the portals and ending the invasion.
This is serious post-apocolyptic stuff though. Mankind is enslaved everywhere. Villages and towns are decimated.
Also, the opening of these portals causes magic on earth to run wild. They act sorta like 'amplifiers', ie if magic was at 1 before the portals opened (on a scale of 1-10), they would be on 10 after. It also starts to warp the terrain and stuff and leads to more people developing psychic and mystical powers. Quite cool, and something we may want to consider.
Forgive me for this, but is there any real reason for Earth to be invaded other than it can be done? I read somewhere that it had something to do with Sam and The Idea, could someone clear this up for me? Thanks.
In Spellcross, the Earth is invaded because the FofD's need more slaves for their war against a race of mages called the Whites. Maybe we could have something the same?
They're also after a race of beings known as the Titans; which are basically big-ass super-soldiers of the gods from the dawn of time. Well, more like demi-gods themselves. They are evantually defeated by a weapon known as the Shining Sword, i think. Again, maybe something of the same??
I don't think WMD are used, but in our version I agree they would be held back as a last resort. I would make a tentative guess that the first to use them would be China, Middle East and maybe Russia, then the rest of the world would follow.
Just some ideas. We probably don't want to make it a complete copy of the game, but there's some more thing's for you to think about.
Both the post-apocolyptic stuff and the home/away team are great ideas. I dont mind doing either.